In June 1983, one of his victims, Cindy Paulson, managed to escape his car as he loaded his plane to take her to his cabin. He seemed really like a pretty good guy. Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. FLOTHE: OK. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. And do what he pleased with her. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. Way down on the floor. "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansens house on Old Harbor Road. Though Cindy was able to describe her attacker and his home in great detail, it didnt make any difference. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. We recently landed an exclusive interview with Hudgens who talked about her reaction when she first read the script, how meeting the real Cindy Paulson helped inform her portrayal of the character, why it was important to her that audiences see Paulson as a real human being and not a stereotype, what she learned from working with experienced actors like Cage and Cusack who inspired her performance, how Walkers enthusiasm and energy kept the atmosphere on set upbeat despite the dark subject matter, and what she discovered about herself in the process of making the film. CINDY: Yep. See how my sights are painted with an orange Glenn Flothe, AST. CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. He never learned her real name, he said. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This looks black but its actually blue. You see, when we was driving I observed everything. Still, he couldve taken a life before he was busted, who knows? The security guard had came up I dont know if I was in the back laying down when he [the security guard] did. Did he only do a few takes or did he do as many as he felt he needed? FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. The woman, who was believed to in her late teens was found on April 25, 1984, near Horseshoe Lake. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. Being in an office meant that team building happened naturally, and to re-create that connection virtually, takes a lot of To be authentic, inclusion needs action behind it. Darla had known that shed married a dedicated hunter, so when Robert had taken time away from the family, it was easy to explain away. Thats why he did it. He found an outlet for his feelings of sexual rejection and frustration through criminalityfirst via smaller displays of power like kleptomania, then graduating to arson, burning down a school bus garage in his hometown of Pocahontas, Iowa in 1960, a crime for which he served 20 months in prison. What did you learn from them? (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. Black or brown? With a wood handle. FLOTHE: You think if I showed you some pictures of some cars later on you might be able to pick it out? FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. If Im unsure of something, I promise to tell you, and yall the dates in this case about drove me nuts. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. If his social life hadnt been bad enough, he never could find much solace at home, either. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your FLOTHE: Or did he give you any money? It was plain. CINDY: Um hmm. Cindy had been with BC for 14 years (more than 30 years to date), managing a region and leading many projects when she felt something was missing. He pulled over and I recognized him immediately. I really respect that. "My gosh, she is running naked and in handcuffs on the streets of Anchorage scared to death," Rothschild recalled of the scene. CINDY: I believe it was right there right across from the Sheraton on Fifth and Denali. CINDY: No. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). (inaudible). CINDY: I knew I was in trouble. FLOTHE: The same car as on Friday? In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. I operated behind a work persona. And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Im not going to help you do that, all right? Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. You know, I was supposed to meet him. Glenn Flothe, AST. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. FLOTHE: Did you notice anything about the sights? FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. Just him by himself. I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. CINDY: Um hmm. Glenn Flothe, AST. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. The killer received a 461-year sentence in February 1984, pleading guilty to four of the murders. Hes amazing. FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? And he contacts you. CINDY: All right. You know, I was supposed to meet him. Its another fun, more light-hearted character that the audiences have never seen me do before. FLOTHE: Did he approach you or did you approach him? And if Im not mistaken I think he had a green or a light t-shirt underneath it. Kidnapped: The True Story of Cindy Paulson, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. A woman accused Hansen of rape in 1971, even as he awaited trial in a separate incident for following a stranger to her Spenard home and trying to kidnap her at gunpoint, according to Anchorage Daily News reports at the time. Alaska's Missing Planes and People. This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Purchase Butcher, Baker, Your email address will not be published. CINDY: OK. Cindy coughs.) That seemed to be a common enough thing to do, plenty of troubled Americans had moved to Alaska to start a new life, and this worked out splendidly for Robert! He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. (Cindy Paulson), Cindy Paulson CINDY: Um, he had me chained around my neck for a time. I was going through those emotions and seeing the same things. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. I thought it was an amazing take on pop culture and where we are today and how the generation is so media-driven and see and be seen. It was just a really interesting take on college students. You rarely see mention of them, other than the fact that they existed, and I read through multiple articles before I even spotted Mrs. Hansens first name. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. And if Im not mistaken I think he got green or blue eyes. CINDY: It was a really dark color. He died in prison last month aged 75. CINDY: Uh huh. They told Hansen they had seized his map marked with 17 locations, spots that they believed indicated the locations of bodies. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. Growing up Robert was scrawny, he had this terrible stutter, and a super bad case of acne; all of this made him the target of bullies everywhere. What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. CINDY: Yes. (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. CINDY: OK. Interview with Cindy Morgan DontHateTheGeek 2.2K views 10 years ago Whiplash Final Scene - Andrew Neyman's Performance Awais Irfan 14M views 7 years ago Ned Lightner 52K views 9 years ago The. He remains active in the markets. CINDY: Uh huh. Jack Halcombe (Nicolas Cage), who convinces her to help him bring Hansen to justice. Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? It was smooth. Did he give you a sense of what he wanted and then get out of the way and let you follow your instincts as an actor? When will it be released? And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. John A. Paulson founded Paulson & Co., an investment management firm based in New York. He was also an avid hunter. And I was just running. FLOTHE: Uh huh. It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. His alibi - two friends - also admitted they had been lying. You know, like mine is. (rustling sound as Flothe shows his gun to Cindy) Did it have that or was Cindy Paulson was just 17 years old when she moved to Anchorage Alaska. FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. The security guard at that time FLOTHE: When you drove up to the house did you see any other cars there at the time? CINDY: Uh huh. Eventually his buddys conscience got the better of him, and he confessed his crimes to the police; for his role, Robert was sentenced to three years incarceration. After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. FLOTHE: Did you have conversation, then, with him on Friday? (sound of paper being torn off a tablet) Dr. Cindy Paulson, senior vice president and Brown and Caldwell's Chief Technical Officer, is responsible for advancing the company's technical strategy from innovation to talent development and quality delivery. It became very accessible to me. FLOTHE: When did he tell you this? 'We're not trying to solve the crime. Hudgens: I thought it was pretty spot on. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than Robert claimed that the teen was trying to blackmail him; he convinced a buddy to give him an alibi, and that was that. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. FLOTHE: Was it this one here is called like a checkered grip. Her name is Cindy Paulson. I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! It turned into a cat and mouse chase. The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. Now a bad childhood doesnt excuse cold blooded murder, of course, but it can help shed light on how some people are capable of committing atrocities such as these while the majority of us are not. Hansen didn't see his victims as human, the attorney said. FLOTHE: Ah. FLOTHE: Do you remember how he was dressed on Sunday? FLOTHE: If you can move your hand away from your face a little bit I want to make sure we get it on the tape recorder, OK? CINDY: I believe it was on a Friday and I gave him my telephone number and he called me on a Saturday. In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. Required fields are marked *. There. And, um, he took me to his house on Old Harbor Road in Muldoon. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. CINDY: Yep. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. RH: Yes. So, that was nice. They look at them in a very specific way. Glenn Flothe. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. The others were never located. Ducks and birds. Her ability to accurately describe every detail of her ordeal was crucial to establishing her credibility as a witness. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? FLOTHE: How about the glasses? OK, that wasnt even back there. Every time it was in my face. CINDY: Uh huh. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. Hes got like frog warts on his face. "When you kill that many women there's a good chance you may have killed some convict's girlfriend," said Bob Spinde, who was in charge of prisoner records. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? We should all help each other out and give love to everyone as much as possible. And hes about five six, weighs about 170 pounds. Apparently youre bothered by this? CINDY: Uh huh. I think hes such an incredible filmmaker. First, we hear about that meet up from Robert Hansens confession. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy android. Brown and Caldwells former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. Interesting stuff. FLOTHE: Where did you go when you did it in the car? ROBERT HANSEN (RH): Uh, you want me, Sir, to start when I first met this CINDY PAULSON the first time or, RH: or what? And, uh, I called back to her the next the next day or some oth or day or two afterwards. Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. Can you describe that again to me, Cindy? Cindy . FLOTHE: Did he seem pretty sincere about wanting to get with you? Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. The hair on the back of his neck stood up and his neck got red, and he was pissed," Rothschild said in a phone interview Thursday. STEPHEN Don't just stick to the Malbec! How does it compare to what you envisioned when you first read the script? He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. Donations & Patreon membership will go towards keeping this site running. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. FLOTHE: How did he get in? Im not involved though. When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? A turning point came in 1983, when a teenage prostitute named Cindy Paulson ran into a Fifth Avenue motel in handcuffs, saying that Hansen had imprisoned her at his home, raped her and put her on his plane for a one-way ride. CINDY: Yep. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! Hansen couldn't or wouldn't help identify her. Together they entertained colleagues at their home. 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