Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." Try my free online Rune Readings! The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. But that doesn't stop Temple. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? [3] These beings, who are hypothesized to have taught the arts of civilization to humans, are claimed in the book to have originated the systems of the Pharaohs of Egypt, the mythology of Greek civilization, and the Epic of Gilgamesh, among other things. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. extraterrestrial visitors? In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. The Demon-Haunted World - Science as a Candle in the Dark (New Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. Skeptic. Inevitably one must ask, if the Dogons had heard good stories about Sirius from other sources, would they ignore them or would they quickly adopt them into their own cultural myths? Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. September 1976 saw The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Webplanet earth. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. %PDF-1.4 And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. Investigating "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. If a European What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find Figure 2. Several possibilities exist. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. by Liam McDaid. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Beware of mood swings. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. In 1965, Arthur Young gave Robert Temple a French article on the secret star lore of the Dogon, an article written by two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. 1978. York: Random House, 1995). James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. They seem to have One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. The Dogon have a Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. It's almost certainly a hoax. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. The Dogon People Revisited.. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. That in itself is extraordinary.". I disagree wit deeee72. 11.1. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. characteristics. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. The antiquity of the Dogon astronomy is not so obvious as ancient astronaut enthusiasts claim but neither has it been disproved. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. of earth and transmitted in conversation. The cartographer took all such factors into account. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The Dogon Revisited Through the carbon dating of old ritual masks researchers have established the antiquity of the Segui ceremonies. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. the Sirius "Mystery". 1999. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Ridpath asserts. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. But other observers disagree. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. "It does not!" Cuddle up with someone. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". 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