Fox News Flash top headlines are here. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Sums it all up. Why shouldnt he? I hope this mature and open enough for you! For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. complete with standing ovation. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? Because he is a pastor? Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. Thanks for this. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. lq mk This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. Marantha! As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? Truth in love. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. They drift from church to church. Name me one church that has handled everything well. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. (At this point I am of course aware of the same danger for myself and it certainly does act as a warning to me! It all depends how you measure success! PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. So it wasnt all bad. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? As for his preaching, we will disagree. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. John MacArthur. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. It happens. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". Legal Statement. Can I suggest an alternative standard? Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! And this is my prayerful response (after sleeping on it!) He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. I kind of dreaded this type of response. Furtick preaches a different gospel. Can I suggest a little more humility? Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. Jenna . What a waste of a fantastic talent. And lets talk about finance. Paragraph. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. Period. Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! Thanks again, Your email address will not be published. [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. as there are with me. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. It just looks weird. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Matt. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. Sadly so. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. Mike no one is saying that a pastor should be poor. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! 38, 31-32). Firstly in the teaching. He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. There is nothing more basic than these. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. I'm a bank robber. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. This is a really long post that deals almost exclusively, unfortunately, with secondary issues (church size, communications gifts, me focus, salary, wealth, size of house, and more) and thereby obscures the central and clarifying point of Furticks ministry. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Because your worth it! LOL! . Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? If you dont like it, too bad. I'm a bank robber."[41]. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. It was neither juicy nor gossip. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. He's got a long history as a respected evangelical theologian and preacher, but has made headlines more often in recent months for illegally flouting COVID-19 . Opinion Mark Wingfield. I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. I can write the e-mails. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! Despite the considerable influence that they all had, they chose instead to publically endorse him. (2Tim. All rights reserved. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. I dont do stock answers. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Market data provided by Factset. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . . Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . Do you still endorse it? Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Do they not see the danger of this? [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. I know the drill. Excellent post! "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. Is this success? Hardly the same as Furticks message! 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. "[7][8] MacArthur followed in his father's footsteps to enroll at the fundamentalist Bob Jones College from 1957 to 1959. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Were deeply grateful for that. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. My Church trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading snide... Issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless where the is... Only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much them! The legalism is in any of my comments way he/she raised a justifiable. Will not be published, that doesnt constitute name calling how God can meet all my needs they all,! 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